bfadlia
01-12 07:47 PM
Mundana.. I'm not trying to discourage anyone, by all means people should seriously try it and see.. instead of the endless talk..
You'd certainly find the poetic notion in the constitution that "all men are created equal" but if the purpose of the US government and its agencies didn't allow them to balance this with protecting the interests of the US public, a billion people from around the world would move in tomorrow. By your logic, an illegal or one with visitor visa would apply to a job he's qualified to here then sue USCIS because their stupid rules that do do not treat him equally like all other men cost him the job.. Congress enacted the INA (Immigration and Naturalization Act) and tasked USCIS to enforce it.. I researched Title VII and the INA in my paper (so much fine print than the highlights u mentioned) and can tell you that title VII specifically allows INA to override it in matters relating to Immigration, and in many cases INA obliges and in many cases walks all over the EEO and all men equal concepts.. as i discussed with my employment law professor who had a good background in immigration, the situation can't be changed without rewriting Title VII and the INA..
Anyway, just my professor's opinion and mine, u have every right to disagree but plz let's do something instead of talking..
Here is the history of derivative acts under 14th amendment related to employement:
14th Amendment of the United States Constitution: guarantees due process and equal protection under the laws.
The Civil Rights Act of 1866, Section 1981: covers race-based discrimination by employers. Individuals may sue to assert their rights under this Act; which, unlike Title VII, has no limitation on back-pay liability.
The Civil rights Act of 1871, Section 1983: provides persons who believe they have been
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I therefore believe there is a good chance at the Supreme Court ruling that because of long wait times of more than 3 years for a Green Card plus requirement of same or similar job during that long wait until the green card is received plus country quota affecting people born only in few countries leads to disadvantage for people of these few countries at work.
And yes, even I took law course and gave a seminar during my MBA. But even you would concur that this course at best is basic and does not make a person authority of the US legal system.
Finally, forget me or you, even a lawyer cannot say for sure what the final ruling will be in any case. And hence the best a person can do is give an educated opinion. In addition by human nature, the way I would interpret laws would be to my advantage while the way you would interpret them would be to your advantage. And hence I can understand your biases (and mine as well) because in case the country quota is found illegal by the US Supreme Court, it is the ROW that is going to be affected the most.
You'd certainly find the poetic notion in the constitution that "all men are created equal" but if the purpose of the US government and its agencies didn't allow them to balance this with protecting the interests of the US public, a billion people from around the world would move in tomorrow. By your logic, an illegal or one with visitor visa would apply to a job he's qualified to here then sue USCIS because their stupid rules that do do not treat him equally like all other men cost him the job.. Congress enacted the INA (Immigration and Naturalization Act) and tasked USCIS to enforce it.. I researched Title VII and the INA in my paper (so much fine print than the highlights u mentioned) and can tell you that title VII specifically allows INA to override it in matters relating to Immigration, and in many cases INA obliges and in many cases walks all over the EEO and all men equal concepts.. as i discussed with my employment law professor who had a good background in immigration, the situation can't be changed without rewriting Title VII and the INA..
Anyway, just my professor's opinion and mine, u have every right to disagree but plz let's do something instead of talking..
Here is the history of derivative acts under 14th amendment related to employement:
14th Amendment of the United States Constitution: guarantees due process and equal protection under the laws.
The Civil Rights Act of 1866, Section 1981: covers race-based discrimination by employers. Individuals may sue to assert their rights under this Act; which, unlike Title VII, has no limitation on back-pay liability.
The Civil rights Act of 1871, Section 1983: provides persons who believe they have been
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I therefore believe there is a good chance at the Supreme Court ruling that because of long wait times of more than 3 years for a Green Card plus requirement of same or similar job during that long wait until the green card is received plus country quota affecting people born only in few countries leads to disadvantage for people of these few countries at work.
And yes, even I took law course and gave a seminar during my MBA. But even you would concur that this course at best is basic and does not make a person authority of the US legal system.
Finally, forget me or you, even a lawyer cannot say for sure what the final ruling will be in any case. And hence the best a person can do is give an educated opinion. In addition by human nature, the way I would interpret laws would be to my advantage while the way you would interpret them would be to your advantage. And hence I can understand your biases (and mine as well) because in case the country quota is found illegal by the US Supreme Court, it is the ROW that is going to be affected the most.
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cbpds
05-17 12:11 PM
A very useful way of using technology to promote legal immigration !!!
Sent emails already
Thanks Pappu
Thank you for participating in the national phone campaign we ran for the last 2 weeks.
We got feedback on some calls that were made and it was encouraging.
We are now starting a campaign to contact our lawmakers and media offices.
Please click on ImmigrationVoice.org - Advocacy -- Legislative Action Center (http://immigrationvoice.capwiz.com/immigrationvoice/home/)
or the icons on the top of IV page to participate in the action alerts.
This campaign is very simple.
It will not even take 5 minutes of your time.
Please spread the word around so that we can flood the offices with our emails. This will help in the event we are planning for next month. See IV announcement: Advocacy Days in Washington DC: 7th & 8th June - Page 3 - Immigration Voice (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=1437978)
- Team IV
Sent emails already
Thanks Pappu
Thank you for participating in the national phone campaign we ran for the last 2 weeks.
We got feedback on some calls that were made and it was encouraging.
We are now starting a campaign to contact our lawmakers and media offices.
Please click on ImmigrationVoice.org - Advocacy -- Legislative Action Center (http://immigrationvoice.capwiz.com/immigrationvoice/home/)
or the icons on the top of IV page to participate in the action alerts.
This campaign is very simple.
It will not even take 5 minutes of your time.
Please spread the word around so that we can flood the offices with our emails. This will help in the event we are planning for next month. See IV announcement: Advocacy Days in Washington DC: 7th & 8th June - Page 3 - Immigration Voice (http://immigrationvoice.org/forum/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=1437978)
- Team IV
arunmurthy
09-30 07:26 PM
Is this a serious discussion on the immigration portal about airlines.
Why don't you shut the fuck up!!@#@# and get on with your "SERIOUS DISCUSSION" about AI, Vonage,Lingo, Shahrukh Khan etc etc etc..
Serious!! yeah damn serious to be on this forum... guy like you are a shame and disgrace to the whole community where they just can't contribute but yes can definitely try to distract, deviate and derail the efforts.
You got all this bashing for the reason, I dun consider this conversation as "SERIOUS" and was trying to add up humor to lighten up the thread. But the A**H***E like you and other 2( who gave you the green on the comment) are totally stupids to understand on where to discuss what.
I am proud donor of IV, if that makes you feel ashamed when you look at the mirror, then I can't help you.
You should show some decency in replying to posts. Otherwise it reflects where you come from.
By donating few dollars, you are not entitled to write anything on any forum. If you think that a thread is not for you, you should not post there.
If you are a proud donor, good for you. :)
But why dont you start a local chapter and do some field work instead of just writing a check and claiming yourself to be a superior guy to others.
Why don't you shut the fuck up!!@#@# and get on with your "SERIOUS DISCUSSION" about AI, Vonage,Lingo, Shahrukh Khan etc etc etc..
Serious!! yeah damn serious to be on this forum... guy like you are a shame and disgrace to the whole community where they just can't contribute but yes can definitely try to distract, deviate and derail the efforts.
You got all this bashing for the reason, I dun consider this conversation as "SERIOUS" and was trying to add up humor to lighten up the thread. But the A**H***E like you and other 2( who gave you the green on the comment) are totally stupids to understand on where to discuss what.
I am proud donor of IV, if that makes you feel ashamed when you look at the mirror, then I can't help you.
You should show some decency in replying to posts. Otherwise it reflects where you come from.
By donating few dollars, you are not entitled to write anything on any forum. If you think that a thread is not for you, you should not post there.
If you are a proud donor, good for you. :)
But why dont you start a local chapter and do some field work instead of just writing a check and claiming yourself to be a superior guy to others.
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saimrathi
07-03 04:01 PM
Never mind.. your name suits you...
I am stressing on July 2 as the date due to the new bulletin... Anyway, dont bother replying..
OK...
That's a sunday, would they even accept any on sunday?
I am stressing on July 2 as the date due to the new bulletin... Anyway, dont bother replying..
OK...
That's a sunday, would they even accept any on sunday?
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tdasara
03-04 10:35 PM
Beyond logic! Above law!
newtoearth
06-10 02:31 PM
why
Employment Second:
China and India: March or April 2006
Make it :
Employment Second:
China and India: July or August 2006
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Employment Second:
China and India: March or April 2006
Make it :
Employment Second:
China and India: July or August 2006
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prince_charming
09-17 09:06 PM
Exactly the point that leads me to believe this:
ARE THEY SENDING EVERYTHING TO THE OLD LAWYER???
If they never updated the lawyer info....(AC21 papers being lost is not unusual at all, it happens commonly, as there is no set form for it, mail room does not know what to do with it and so it gets misplaced). However, even if they did not have AC21 info, they would have sent an RFE or at least NOID. All these could be LOST if they went to OLD attorney.
So Infopass is a good idea. To at least get this info and also to get the actual denial notice which may have to to the old attorney as well (to see on what grounds they denied it so you can file MTR accordingly).
Of course, a good attorney is a must.
All in all, I think, it should be ok at the end of the day (just a painful waiting period full of uncertainty) unless they revoked it based on some misrepresentation.
Good Luck.
I tried to get the denial reason but InfoPass doesn't seem to have that information or doesn't wanted to provide me because it;s denied on 12th they wanted me to wait for 2-3 days more for denial notice.
ARE THEY SENDING EVERYTHING TO THE OLD LAWYER???
If they never updated the lawyer info....(AC21 papers being lost is not unusual at all, it happens commonly, as there is no set form for it, mail room does not know what to do with it and so it gets misplaced). However, even if they did not have AC21 info, they would have sent an RFE or at least NOID. All these could be LOST if they went to OLD attorney.
So Infopass is a good idea. To at least get this info and also to get the actual denial notice which may have to to the old attorney as well (to see on what grounds they denied it so you can file MTR accordingly).
Of course, a good attorney is a must.
All in all, I think, it should be ok at the end of the day (just a painful waiting period full of uncertainty) unless they revoked it based on some misrepresentation.
Good Luck.
I tried to get the denial reason but InfoPass doesn't seem to have that information or doesn't wanted to provide me because it;s denied on 12th they wanted me to wait for 2-3 days more for denial notice.
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needhelp!
02-12 11:57 AM
Thanks Kavita. I have found that my friends are glad to help if I ask them to collect 5-6 signatures.
Come on guys.. lets take this upon ourselves to make it happen!
Come on guys.. lets take this upon ourselves to make it happen!
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kevinkris
06-10 06:03 PM
Can't believe the dates came this much.. (Seeing the history from few months)
Last year also it came to 2006 but again retrogressed..
But this time.. i don't know.. i am hopeful..
Fingers crossed..
Well. It certainly is a good news. Atleast for me. :) I would like to caution though that getting current does not necessarily mean getting approved. We have had cases from 2003/2004 PD members where they did not get approved for long time despite their date getting current.
Last year also it came to 2006 but again retrogressed..
But this time.. i don't know.. i am hopeful..
Fingers crossed..
Well. It certainly is a good news. Atleast for me. :) I would like to caution though that getting current does not necessarily mean getting approved. We have had cases from 2003/2004 PD members where they did not get approved for long time despite their date getting current.
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nagamani
06-11 06:41 AM
Dear friends
Please do not get over excited. This may get retrogressed. These are temporary.
All we need is Bill passed.
Focus on that.
Please do not get over excited. This may get retrogressed. These are temporary.
All we need is Bill passed.
Focus on that.
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dilber
07-01 05:01 PM
I cannot believe that after everything that's happened over the last year or so, out of how many thousands of members of this group - just 199 of us called??
What are we doing as a group of people? Is it such a wonder that this country isn't moving on our immigration woes when we ourselves won't pick up the phone and talk to somebody about our troubles?
Wow-talk about complete and total apathy....I'm ashamed on behalf of each and every one those people who think they'll let someone else solve their problems - in which case I hope they don't ever complain about their lot in life. They have no right to.
Absolutely shameful...
If this is the level of participation we cannot and should not expect any thing. Just think about this there are a lot of anti's out there and they can and will vote. to offset that the volume of calls from us the non voters has to be substantially large. I called got my wife to call and a couple of friends I will try and talk to all my friends in TX to call as well. But that will just no cut it unless all of these 24000 so called members (I do not consider passive readers members.) will call and get all of their friends to call. I promise you when we get that level of participation whoever be the president, whomever hold the majority in House and / or senate our bills will be brought on the floor will be voted on, and will be signed by the president!!!
But until we do not have participation our voice will be small and nothing will be done. And we will keep on waiting forever...
Now go ahead and give me red dots. but my only request is please call and get your Husbands/Wifes/GF/BF to call. I will be happy with red dots if you at least call.
What are we doing as a group of people? Is it such a wonder that this country isn't moving on our immigration woes when we ourselves won't pick up the phone and talk to somebody about our troubles?
Wow-talk about complete and total apathy....I'm ashamed on behalf of each and every one those people who think they'll let someone else solve their problems - in which case I hope they don't ever complain about their lot in life. They have no right to.
Absolutely shameful...
If this is the level of participation we cannot and should not expect any thing. Just think about this there are a lot of anti's out there and they can and will vote. to offset that the volume of calls from us the non voters has to be substantially large. I called got my wife to call and a couple of friends I will try and talk to all my friends in TX to call as well. But that will just no cut it unless all of these 24000 so called members (I do not consider passive readers members.) will call and get all of their friends to call. I promise you when we get that level of participation whoever be the president, whomever hold the majority in House and / or senate our bills will be brought on the floor will be voted on, and will be signed by the president!!!
But until we do not have participation our voice will be small and nothing will be done. And we will keep on waiting forever...
Now go ahead and give me red dots. but my only request is please call and get your Husbands/Wifes/GF/BF to call. I will be happy with red dots if you at least call.
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grupak
06-26 09:28 AM
Is the efforts of EB3 (I) volunteers being exploited (indirectly, ofcourse)? What are they fighting for?
I don't see how. If the bills pass, then everybody in queue benefits. Simply switching to EB2 is not going to work because it is also retro. The people impacted by retrogression should take the lead in fixing the mess.
I don't see how. If the bills pass, then everybody in queue benefits. Simply switching to EB2 is not going to work because it is also retro. The people impacted by retrogression should take the lead in fixing the mess.
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rinkurazdan
05-31 10:44 AM
no news is good news until we see this beeing duiscusse don the floor of the senate...
so plese keep webfaxing, emailling, calling and contributing...
We need to keeep the momentum going.
so plese keep webfaxing, emailling, calling and contributing...
We need to keeep the momentum going.
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pa_arora
07-15 05:47 PM
I already mentioned in my previous posts (multiple posts with same matter for people like you and me, see it and understand it well) how we are getting more than 50k visas just for EB2 India. I am giving it here again the visa allotments for 2006 and 2007 years when theres vertical fallouts. Now its changed to horizontal fall outs.
Due to this as many of us think its not the EB3 India which is losing, but its EB3 ROW.
Class --------------------------------------> 2006 | 2007
Total Employment-based Approvals ----------> 159,081 | 162,176
EB1 ---------------------------------------> 36,960 | 26,697
EB2 ---------------------------------------> 21,911 | 44,162
EB3 ---------------------------------------> 89,922 | 85,030
Fourth:-------------------------------------> 9,539 | 5,481
Fifth (investors) ----------------------------> 749 | 806
See the Total Employment Based Visa approvals for 2006 and 2007 159,081 and 162,176. But there are only 140,000 visas in EB category. The rest of the visas came from Family Based visas which are not used for the previous fiscal year. The share for each category: Each EB1, EB2 and EB3 should get 1/3 of 140,000 = 46,666. But due to the less demand in EB1 and EB2 ROW all the visas falling to EB3 ROW due to the Vertical falling.
EB1 ROW --> EB2 ROW --> EB3 ROW.
EB1 INDIA --> EB2 INDIA --> EB3 INDIA.
As theres not much demand for EB1 ROW and EB2 ROW, all the unused visas are going to fall to EB3 ROW. So from this time its going to be like Horizotal fall out like below.
EB1 ROW/EB1 INDIA --> EB2 ROW/ EB2India/ EB2China-->EB3ROW/EB3 INDIA.
So this time to fall any VISAS into EB3 ROW they have to pass through EB2 India/EB2 China. So this makes EB3 ROW dates would retrogress due to the decrease in visa numbers availabilty.
As I said each category would have 46,666. So EB1 and EB2 together will have around 93,332 visas. But in EB1+EB2 in 2006 about 50,000 visas approved and in 2007 about 70,000 visas approved. So for 2008 also asume the demand for EB1 and EB2 is 70,000. But the availability of VISAS are 93,332 as said above + unused family visas which come around 19,000+.
So for this 2008 fiscal year for EB2 India and China the total visa numbers availla ble are
(93,332 +19,000) - 70,000 = 42,332.
So around 42 thousand + 9,800 (regular 7% of 140k) = around 52k Visas Just for India , because EB2 China was already Jan 2006 a year back. And I dont think it would take any considerable share in this 50k other than its regular 9,800 visas.
Get me back if you have any doubts.
Hi vldrao
I see ur predictions coming true, but with a big BUT, the flow "EB1 ROW/EB1 INDIA --> EB2 ROW/ EB2India/ EB2China-->EB3ROW/EB3 INDIA." may be a make-shift approach just to use up leftover visas for this year. This is not a published rule anywhere. So how can u be so certain based on Ron Gotcher or how can he be so certain that this gonna be the approach going forward.
If u made this prediction based on the above rule, then where did u get the news that the visa flow will be changed from vertical to horisontal???? Or was it just a fluke????
We have being diched by USCIS/DOS so many times that i believe such move "too good to be true". It seems like this VB is also like the July07 where everybody when current with the difference that only EB2 IC are forwarded.
Due to this as many of us think its not the EB3 India which is losing, but its EB3 ROW.
Class --------------------------------------> 2006 | 2007
Total Employment-based Approvals ----------> 159,081 | 162,176
EB1 ---------------------------------------> 36,960 | 26,697
EB2 ---------------------------------------> 21,911 | 44,162
EB3 ---------------------------------------> 89,922 | 85,030
Fourth:-------------------------------------> 9,539 | 5,481
Fifth (investors) ----------------------------> 749 | 806
See the Total Employment Based Visa approvals for 2006 and 2007 159,081 and 162,176. But there are only 140,000 visas in EB category. The rest of the visas came from Family Based visas which are not used for the previous fiscal year. The share for each category: Each EB1, EB2 and EB3 should get 1/3 of 140,000 = 46,666. But due to the less demand in EB1 and EB2 ROW all the visas falling to EB3 ROW due to the Vertical falling.
EB1 ROW --> EB2 ROW --> EB3 ROW.
EB1 INDIA --> EB2 INDIA --> EB3 INDIA.
As theres not much demand for EB1 ROW and EB2 ROW, all the unused visas are going to fall to EB3 ROW. So from this time its going to be like Horizotal fall out like below.
EB1 ROW/EB1 INDIA --> EB2 ROW/ EB2India/ EB2China-->EB3ROW/EB3 INDIA.
So this time to fall any VISAS into EB3 ROW they have to pass through EB2 India/EB2 China. So this makes EB3 ROW dates would retrogress due to the decrease in visa numbers availabilty.
As I said each category would have 46,666. So EB1 and EB2 together will have around 93,332 visas. But in EB1+EB2 in 2006 about 50,000 visas approved and in 2007 about 70,000 visas approved. So for 2008 also asume the demand for EB1 and EB2 is 70,000. But the availability of VISAS are 93,332 as said above + unused family visas which come around 19,000+.
So for this 2008 fiscal year for EB2 India and China the total visa numbers availla ble are
(93,332 +19,000) - 70,000 = 42,332.
So around 42 thousand + 9,800 (regular 7% of 140k) = around 52k Visas Just for India , because EB2 China was already Jan 2006 a year back. And I dont think it would take any considerable share in this 50k other than its regular 9,800 visas.
Get me back if you have any doubts.
Hi vldrao
I see ur predictions coming true, but with a big BUT, the flow "EB1 ROW/EB1 INDIA --> EB2 ROW/ EB2India/ EB2China-->EB3ROW/EB3 INDIA." may be a make-shift approach just to use up leftover visas for this year. This is not a published rule anywhere. So how can u be so certain based on Ron Gotcher or how can he be so certain that this gonna be the approach going forward.
If u made this prediction based on the above rule, then where did u get the news that the visa flow will be changed from vertical to horisontal???? Or was it just a fluke????
We have being diched by USCIS/DOS so many times that i believe such move "too good to be true". It seems like this VB is also like the July07 where everybody when current with the difference that only EB2 IC are forwarded.
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aupadh
01-26 03:27 PM
Well it seems the idea to get a Stimulus for 2008 for people having spouses with ITIN is nearing dead end (no action). Now the government is planning another stimulus. I think we should work on taking the necessary steps to prevent the same happening this year (being dropped out). I think we should raise awareness and write to all people including President Obama.
Ideas / comments?
Ideas / comments?
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dish
12-05 10:02 AM
I recently sent a letter to the USCIS Director Explaining the problems faced by H4's because the stay in H4 counts towards the H1 time. Just to bring up the matter of Decoupling H1 time and H4 time. May be it was long forgotten in the bureaucracy.
I couldn't find an email address of the USCIS Director, Not even a full Address.
I used the address below. It might reach there or come back to me.
If it reaches there and if I receive a response I will post it.
Emilio T. Gonz�lez
Under Secretary of Homeland Security
Director, United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS)
I read, somebody had contacted ombudsman in this issue, but I feel he is powerless. and can only make suggestions.
Let us hope the decoupling memo will be out... Or better the H4 get allowed to work as the L1s.
The L1 work permit law was passed in 2001 March. Does anyone has any idea which group lobbied for it?
I couldn't find an email address of the USCIS Director, Not even a full Address.
I used the address below. It might reach there or come back to me.
If it reaches there and if I receive a response I will post it.
Emilio T. Gonz�lez
Under Secretary of Homeland Security
Director, United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS)
I read, somebody had contacted ombudsman in this issue, but I feel he is powerless. and can only make suggestions.
Let us hope the decoupling memo will be out... Or better the H4 get allowed to work as the L1s.
The L1 work permit law was passed in 2001 March. Does anyone has any idea which group lobbied for it?
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nrakkati
03-21 03:41 PM
As I mentioned earlier, it is a simple RFE. In addition, Desi has backedup his suggestion with the proof - Just ask your attorney to respond to the RFE. Post back when you get updates, it will help IV community, who are in similar situation and also the members who do not have a proper understanding of statuses.:D
Sure. I will update the thread.
Thank you
Sure. I will update the thread.
Thank you
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needhelp!
02-28 11:03 AM
I dropped the letters in my garage yesterday and thought I had picked them all up. But there were few that were hiding under the car. And this morning they came under the wheels :(
Trying to see if they can be revived and cleaned up.
Trying to see if they can be revived and cleaned up.
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sundevil
05-31 04:25 PM
Yes, a majority Vote.
"The motion to Lay on the Table is undebatable, and requires only a majority vote, notwithstanding the fact that if not taken from the table the question is suppressed."
Is there some procedure that can undo "lie on the table"
"The motion to Lay on the Table is undebatable, and requires only a majority vote, notwithstanding the fact that if not taken from the table the question is suppressed."
Is there some procedure that can undo "lie on the table"
god_bless_you
12-01 10:58 AM
For more about Gandhi and Gandhian Philosophy..
check
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newxyz100
07-20 01:55 PM
Actually you can request a duplicate H1B form..
http://www.lexisnexis.com/practiceareas/immigration/pdfs/web606%20I-824_106%20late.pdf
http://www.lexisnexis.com/practiceareas/immigration/pdfs/web606%20I-824_106%20late.pdf
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